: Putting in a hot tub
: Okay
: And you are going to have like a temperature gradient and a
thermo [indiscernible]
: Okay
: Another phrase where it starts getting to mechanical
action, usually you can have some kind of [indiscernible] or like
elastic power generators tied in to the [indiscernible]. So as you
breathe you are going to listen to yourself in the bath
: Oh that.s pretty.
: We are going to use the cable..
: That is very pretty
: How much are you going to get out of the breathing action
though?
: Well. Depending on what you tie to it. Are you timing it to
the diaphragm? Are you timing it to the base of the rib cage?
: Right.
: Then it.s sort of a question of how much power do you really
need. Right?
: I suppose it depends on what application you are trying to
power, so?
: There.s a couple of other places where you could find
[indiscernible]. And then there is all sorts of things that you could
like. Do you or have they like seem your applications or are they
distributed? And if they are distributed, like do you actually want to
lay a network through the body or do like want try and do it like
everybody through their local power and communicate through some
wireless network.
: Right. I think I will be doing the body area sort of
networks thing for communication for a while.
: Yeah, but most of the networks they have done is based on
psyche caletric [ph] service effects. I don.t think they are really been
playing with or look like solid areas.
: That.s true. It.s not it is mostly skin. And it is mostly
devices from one outside your skin. So, you know you could just put it
and send packets off into the blood stream and see what happens.
: Firstly, I am very, very interested in this field.
: Yeah..
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Speaker 1: Sitting in a hot tub ...
Speaker 2: Uh-huh.
Speaker 1: . you are gonna have like a temperature gradient from a
couple more.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 1: So that's another possible place to get the 0:08 (inaudible).
Another place that starts getting some mechanical action is, you can
have some kind of elastic or like elastic power generator tied into the
linkage?
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 1: So as you breathe you're gonna get some -- do juice off of
that.
Speaker 2: Oh. That's pretty.
Speaker 3: You have the U.S. detail on that, correct? 0:29 (Inaudible.).
Speaker 2: That is very pretty.
Speaker 3: 0:32 (Inaudible.)
Speaker 2: How much are you going to get out of the breathing action,
though?
Speaker 1: Well, depending on where you tie into it. Are you tying into
the diaphragm, are you tying into the expansion of the ribcage?
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: Then it's sort of a question of how much power do you really
need, right?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I suppose it depends on what application you're trying
to power; so .
Speaker 1: There's a couple of other places where you could tie into the
brain 1:00 (inaudible).
Speaker 2: Uh-huh.
Speaker 1: And then there's some questions of like . like do you want to
-- are you -- are these singular applications, or are they distributed;
and then, if they're distributed, like do -- do you actually want to lay
.
Speaker 2: Uh-huh.
Speaker 1: . a network through the body, or do you want to try and do it
just through -- like everybody has their local power, they communicate
through some kind of wireless network.
Speaker 2: Right. Well, people have been doing body-area sort of network
settings for communication for a while.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but most of the work that they've done is based on
static-electric surface effects?
Speaker 2: Uh-huh, yeah?
Speaker 1: I don't think they've really been playing with solid areas, I
mean, with like solid body areas.
Speaker 2: That's true, it's not. It's mostly skin, you know, and the --
it's mostly devices worn outside the skin; so ...
Speaker 4: Is there .
Speaker 2: You know, you could just like send packets off into the
bloodstream and see what happens.
Speaker 1: I mean, personally, I'm very, very interested in this field.
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: That's why I sort of bring something here.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: The one thing that I have to say is, I'm very unimpressed
with the degree of user experience managed?
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 1: And just straight-up tool theory that we see coming out of
the cognitive researchers that are working directly on this.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 1: So the description of those brain gates has identified some
cross and I drilled them afterwards, which is ... brain gate is a . hmm
.. a technology for like you -- you put some . a likely grid like right
here .
Speaker 2: Uh-huh.
Speaker 1: . and you're trying to capture the part of the brain that
controls the hands right in here.
Speaker 2: Sure.
Speaker 1: Now, this is what happens when you get neuroscientists
working on this kind of questions. They're interested in how the hand
works.
Speaker 2: Sure.
Speaker 1: So they're interested in how the hand works. They get
approval to perform surgery on people who are -- either have no hands
...
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: . or are paralyzed, okay?
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: And then what they work on, the cognitive models are hands.
Speaker 2: Sure.
Speaker 1: And they're trying to like teach the person to imagine
they're moving in a 3:13 (inaudible).
Speaker 2: Uh-huh.
Speaker 1: But what they've effectively done is, they've tied on to a
portion of the muscle-control 3:21 homunculus.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 1: And then they're like forcing it back onto this Chan's
metaphor, and they don't have an exact match of that homunculus in the
first place. Right?
Speaker 2: Uh-huh.
Speaker 1: So just in terms of like signal theory, they . there are a
lot better things that they could do with the number of degrees of
freedom that they have available to them .
Speaker 2: Uh-huh.
Speaker 1: . because they go through all of this work to try and 3:42
(inaudible) a hand.
Speaker 2: Right, whereas you could just directly do what you're trying
to do, or what these people are trying to do.
Speaker 1: Well, not so much directly; you have to provide them some
degrees of freedom of some kind of notional thing that they're
manipulating, because that's what the muscle-control homunculus is set
up to do.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: But they're building a Hansom relation and then they're
having the Hansom relation point at things, and that's the user
experience for the user.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: It's terrible. Like they -- you could enable so much more
out of them if you just give up the notion of the hand.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: As for these people who are already paralyzed, like there's
no particular reason to . to force them into that model, especially like
there's some recent research that came out about tool progression .
Speaker 2: Uh-huh.
Speaker 1: . and it really looks strongly like anytime you use a tool,
even for just a few minutes, your sub-model has to approve the tool as a
portion of your body.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So the brain is extremely plastic in terms of like what
those degrees of freedom amount to.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: But what I'd really like to do is --
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